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Al Jazeera in Slovenia

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Colleagues from Al Jazeera TV are working in Slovenia and via this blog we got in touch and I helped them out. It’s great to see others working and how they lit the room by Dedo Light and approaching things differently. They visited us and interview Jure Trampuš. Today we had dinner also with Nick Wood from NYT, Erik and Matjaž. I’ve studied abroad and it’s fantastic to feel still connected with the world.
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Written by Borut Peterlin

4 April, 2007 at 22:50

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  1. kroki, si jim pokazal amerićke? 😉

    mArkedzani

    5 April, 2007 at 00:17

  2. Si jih vprašal, če je bil kateri izmed njih zraven, ko so se odločili, da ne bodo prikazali usmrtitve italijanskega talca, ker je le ta pred smrtjo teroristom dejal, da jim bo pokazal, kako umira Italijan?

    Libertarec

    5 April, 2007 at 06:39

  3. p.s.
    Lepo prosim, vprašaj jih še za url, kjer imajo vse posnetke obglavljenj, ki so jih doslej objavili?

    Libertarec

    5 April, 2007 at 06:41

  4. Ja, pa še en URL za orožje za masovno uničevanje, kot kronski dokaz za nešteto pobitih – raztelešenih. Na žalost je žrtev že toliko, da se bo iračanom kolcalo po eni atomski bombi namesto vseh “pametnih” ameriških izrtrelkov. Kaj ti pomaga pameten iztrelek, če pa je upravljalec le tega debil. Seveda se debilnost proporcionalno povečuje hirearhično po činih, vse do vrhovnega Grma.

    Mimogrede, če inačiš novinarje Al Jazeere s Al Kaido, ali tudi inačiš CNN z grozodejstvi ZDA začenši in še z daleč ne končavši z Irakom, Guantanamom,…

    Ker jaz jih namreč ne in se mi zdi tvoje vprašanje

    – prijazno rečeno – neumestno.
    B5

    B5

    5 April, 2007 at 08:39

  5. Lepo, ze spet dezuje, prekleta Amerika!

    Pa sploh beseda ni potekala o Ameriki, pac pa o Al Jazeeri, v prejsnjem clanku pa o samocenzuri. Kako primerno.

    Eh, navkljub vsem omejevanjem je svoboda tukaj (tukaj = “prekleta Amerika”) se vedno bistveno vecja od svobode, kjer deluje Al Jazeera.

    Ko pa ze omenjas Busha. Tipo je kljub svoji “debilnosti” precej bolj uspesen kot vecina nas. Navkljub vsemu pa bo demokracija in tudi svoboda tukaj prezivela Bushevo vladavino. O svobodah in demokraciji v v vecini drzava, kjer deluje Al Jazeera pa lahko se naprej samo sanjamo.

    Se vec, upam si trditi, da je ZDA bistveno bolj svobodna od vecine drzav na svetu tukaj in v danasnjem casu. Evo, primerjavo ekonomske svobode se najde tukaj:

    http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/countries.cfm

    ZDA: 4 82%
    Slovenija: 58 63.6%
    Qatar (kjer je HQ od Al Jazeere): 72 60.7%

    Sicer z vidika te svobode Slovenija ne prednjaci dosti pred eno srednjevzhodno drzavico tako da tako pozicijo celo malo razumem.

    Ko govorimo na splosno, si lahko ogledamo se tule:

    http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/press_release/fiw07_charts.pdf

    Vidimo, da domovina Al Jazeere slovi po visokem polozaju, ko ocenjujejo politicne in civilne pravice – NOT. In je postavljena v “Not Free” kategorijo (za razliko od tako zanicevane drzave, kot je ZDA, ki je oznacena z “Free”.

    Kako svobodno je obmocje je bilo jasno ze lansko leto, glede na reakcije na nekaj karikatur, ki si jih lahko nekdo ogleda tukaj: http://www.aina.org/releases/20060201143237.htm

    Mladina je karikature (kolikor je meni znano 2) objavila. Bi bilo zanimivo slisati od novinarjev Al Jazeere, kaj mislijo o svobodi tiska.

    Iztok

    5 April, 2007 at 12:00

  6. Al Jazeera je propagandni aparat Al Kaide in ne vem zakaj bi bilo neumestno, če se to jasno pove.

    Kar se tiče bomb in raztelešenj pa bi te opomnil, da so večino ljudi v Iraku ubili sovražniki demokracije in poželi za to prime air time Al Jazeere.

    Libertarec

    5 April, 2007 at 12:24

  7. A sovražniki demokracije so? In CNN ni propagandni aparat? No, vsak dan se nekaj novega naučim v tej blogosferi. Hvala!
    B5

    B5

    5 April, 2007 at 13:54

  8. Še eno vprašanje:
    A sovražniki demokracije sovražijo različna mnenja in vztrajajo pri enostranski interpretaciji dogodkov? In kaj ni res, da pri tem početju ljudi, ki imajo druga stališča razglašajo za sovražnike demokracije, nevernike…

    B5

    B5

    5 April, 2007 at 14:06

  9. Evo, preselil nazaj v Anglescino.

    Whose propaganda machine is CNN? Last time I’ve checked the CNN was way more liberal and balanced then Al Jazeera. I am sure that even you would find that statement rather obvious.

    CNN airs more opposing government views in a week that Al Jazeera does in a year in my estimate. I would bet you lunch that if Al Jazeera would critique their government at the same level that CNN does it would be shut down very soon.

    Iztok

    5 April, 2007 at 14:22

  10. You guys are mixing two things. Democracy and freedom are two somewhat opposing things and it is not enough to have democracy for a successful and safe society, one also has to have freedoms. Freedoms are lacking in the Muslim world compared to secular standards. If you feel otherwise, feel free to test it out by wearing this t-shirt http://www.cafepress.com/antireligion.26807039 in any of the countries that support Al Jazeera and see if you live another day.

    Or test it out just by showing it to Al Jazeera people and tell them you ordered the shirt and report on their reaction.

    Iztok

    5 April, 2007 at 14:35

  11. Why don’t you ask our “friends” from Al Jazeera to finally air the murder of Fabrizio Quattrocchi who died screaming “Adesso vi faccio vedere come muore un italiano!” (now I will show you how an Italian dies) as being too gruesome?

    Seriously I have no clue how any journalist from Al Jazeera would find anything too gruesome to air – at least not until Fabrizio Quattrocchi ruined propaganda video.

    You asked how can a democrat be against “other opinions”? That’s quite simple. It is his democratic right to criticize other “opinions”. I don’t see any good reason why would a democrat be silent and not criticise Der Sturmer and same goes to that shameful act Al Jazeera. Last but not least. I’m not a democrat – I’m classical liberal.

    Since you pulled Iraq body count on me (I didn’t pull it on you) it is reasonable for me to remind you that those were killed by terrorists and other enemies of peace and democracy and not by Allies. We don’t say that Americans killed 6 millions jews during WWII, do we? It is known who killed them so I don’t see how could stating this fact “change the story”.

    Libertarec

    5 April, 2007 at 15:11

  12. “And CNN is not a propaganda machine?”

    It is tasteless and insulting to a civilized mind to do such comparisions.

    This is like saying that Abu Graib, a shameful behaviour of six lunatics -which are easy to find in any group of 200.000 people- that were punished is the same as opressing millions of Iranian women, not being criticized and punished for it and having government support to do it.

    When you compare these events as if they were equal it is:
    – insulting to the victims,
    – damaging because it lowers the magnitude of second crime to that of first one,
    – it does not reward those who try hard and punish such behaviour and provides excuse for those who don’t.

    Most of our “friends” at Al Jazeera are pathetic excuse for journalists.

    Libertarec

    5 April, 2007 at 15:26

  13. CNN, FOX, TV Dnevnik, Delo, Vecer.. vse to so ti trobila oz. z drugo besedo – propagandni aparati.

    mArkedzani

    6 April, 2007 at 00:45

  14. mArkedzani, the devil is in the details. Mladina is propaganda machinery as well, I think you would agree. The details you forget is that you need to name whose machinery it is and to what degree. I can tell you CNN and FOX have more balanced reporting then Al Jazeera does. I think you will not disagree with me here as it would be easy to find CNN and FOX airing interviews that do not agree with the government where they are from. The task should you disagree is to show Al Jazeera airing something disagreeing with government of their country.

    Iztok

    6 April, 2007 at 02:19

  15. Iztok, of course I agree that CNN is very liberal and great media, but is my and your judgment absolute? Is there somebody in the world that disagree with us? Term liberal is an invention of our culture and this and other inventions we’re trying to implement with sword and guided missiles to the rest of the world. Like crusaders, like first Europeans on Indians, like missioners. I’m trying to learn something from history and I do not consider our civilization and it’s values uber alles (above everything).

    Considering objectivity. That’s also our invention from 17th Century, who’s father is Newton. He’s theory claims (speaking plainly) that Universe is working as a big machine independently from ourselves. We are looking at the world subjectively and the world is evolving by universal laws that are objectively. He invented a system that’s called frames of reference and it presumes that somewhere in the Universe there is point which does not move. The ultimate frame of reference.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_frame

    No such point was discovered. Whereas Quantum mechanics tells us that there is no such thing as objectivity, but there are just narrower and broader subjective perspectives.

    If I didn’t loose you with this physic part, I’m convinced that there is no such thing as objective journalistic reporting and Mladina, CNN, Al Jazeera are just propagandizing it’s subjective “frame of referance”. What’s important is that they do that!

    We do claim to be secular and more civilized, more tolerant then Islamic culture, but we all have fundamentalist that are just using different terms and different meanings. I agree with you Libertarec, that it’s too gruesome to air the propaganda video of Fabrizio Quattrocchi’s murder. It’s much more acceptable to read a line in the news that a missile hit a wedding party and killed 23 people and severely wounded the rest. No names, no faces, no heroism, no apology. just normal collateral damage. I do admit it’s much more clean to observe video picture of guided missile, or a rocket launch then a suicide bomber attack.

    Who’s more efficient? Plain body count tells you “we” are! As “we” were against Indians, Bosnian muslims, Palestine,…
    I’m all for freedom of speech and it’s well important to hear also the other side of the story and what’s even more important not to trust blindly our side of the story.

    B5

    B5

    6 April, 2007 at 09:58

  16. Borut, you didn’t lose me with your story. However I do disagree with you here. You didn’t answer the question whose propaganda machine CNN is. Libertarec named whose propaganda machine Al Jazeera is and I am sure he can back that up. Can you?

    Further more, while liberal is frame of reference, it is really easy to determine what is more and what is less liberal. The values of freedom are rather defined in our society and just because individuals in some parts of the world don’t seem to mind at this time that they don’t want it it doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t be there.

    It is plain and simple. And since you live in a predominantly Christian world (and as far as I know you are not, but your grandmother claims herself as such) here is an example. If you are a Christian, you have to abide by the Bible. Now if you do claim such thing, what do you say about Leviticus 20:13 saying: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Do you now think that since your moral values come from your holy book homosexuality is a sin and they should be put to death as your book tells you? Or you do not. And if you do not, why stop there, why still claim such a book is a good source of moral values? And if you think this is OT and Christians don’t need to abide by OT as NT is “the thing”, then think again and read Leviticus 20:17, should we throw this away too then?

    So as you see, in modern society we can’t live solely based on some outdated fiction books, we need to strive towards modern liberal freedoms provided to each and every individual regardless of his color, gender, sexual orientation, religion etc.

    What is the end point of all this? We can not in clear consciousness condone behavior of one just because other one is not perfect. Just because CNN is someones (your claim) propaganda machine we should not dismiss the claims that Al Jazeera is propaganda machine of some reactionary fundamentalist group. It is our responsibility to bring this up to them when we meet them. Like it is my responsibility when I meet local biased news reporter to educate them about their bias and present them with my view it and demand more objectivity is your responsibility to confront your “friends” at Al Jazeera about their bias and demand the same. If you don’t, you have no right to preach about free press. Even further, if you do not, you then condone their actions as well. Honestly, comparing bias of Al Jazeera with bias of CNN it really is tasteless and insulting for a civilized mind to do so (requote from Libertarec).

    Iztok

    6 April, 2007 at 12:17

  17. Let me just add that speaking about lack of freedom and liberty in certain environment is not the same as speaking about the nation or the culture populating this environment.

    Without liberal democracy there is no legitimate representative body. Saying that such critique is against the culture is the same as recognizing tyrannt or a regime as legitimate representative.

    Libertarec

    6 April, 2007 at 13:31

  18. iztok – odkar delam za mladino me se nihce (tam) ni silil, da delam nekaj kar ne zelim oz da delam proti nekomu drugemu, tako da ne vem cigava propaganda je. me prosim razsvetlis cigavi s(m)o?

    mArkedzani

    6 April, 2007 at 16:46

  19. btw – al džazire ne spremljam (ker ne razumem arabscine, pa niti lovim je ne), zato se bom komentarja vzdrzal. se pa dobro ve, da je fox od republikancev, cnn pa tudi ni dalec stran od politike 😉

    mArkedzani

    6 April, 2007 at 16:47

  20. mArkedzani: I am just going by Borut’s definition of propaganda machine. Look at Mladina and its reactions to Mico Mrkaic for example.

    On the Fox/CNN debate vs. Al Jazeera. I can tell you (by living in US and being libertarian) that comparing bias of Fox and CNN to Al Jazeera is like night and day. Yes I agree especially Fox is leaning towards GOP however CNN has fairly centralist stand. Both do air more different and liberal view that Al Jazeera and neither supports terrorist groups like Al Jazeera does.

    Anyway, the issue was not Fox or CNN, issue was Al Jazeera and bringing CNN and Fox into the picture is clouding the issue and introducing straw man.

    So if you want further debate, let’s debate Al Jazeera and its role in middle eastern support to terrorists.

    Iztok

    6 April, 2007 at 21:38

  21. I would just like to add… That the TV crew that Borut and I meet in Slovenia is from Al Jazeera ENGLISH. One reporter was from Miami, one from Australia and one from UK. They are all living now in Athens and the program that they do it has noting in common with Al Jazeera from Kuwait… The only common thing they have is the owner and the name. They are all professional journalists and not some radical Muslims running around with turbans and swords…

    Matjazz

    7 April, 2007 at 10:44

  22. @mArkedzani: Mladina je neosocialistični propagandni časopis. Ne vem, zakaj bi te kdo moral cenzurirati – dovolj je, da izberejo takšne, ki v to ideologijo verjamejo in jih pustijo pisati po svoje? Dobiš na koncu isti rezultat.

    Libertarec

    7 April, 2007 at 14:47

  23. It is good to hear that Al Jazeera also employs decent people. Too bad they are not in position to influence the program.

    Libertarec

    7 April, 2007 at 14:48

  24. Uh, Mićo’s ‘libertarian’ warriors strike in full force…

    bah…

    ivan

    7 April, 2007 at 20:42

  25. Ivan, I guess “ad hominem” is all you can do?

    Iztok

    7 April, 2007 at 21:11

  26. Libertarc, you’re contradicting yourself! Read last two comments of yours and think again. If media owners are choosing journalists that they have similar opinion as they have, why that this not apply to Al Jazeera? Do you think they choosed “decent” people by mistake? To call journalist a decent, just because it’s coming from English speaking culture it’s very insulting for all other journalists, including myself and in this case it’s especially insulting to journalist from Arab countries.

    For me this is clear prove of your prejudice against Arab (Islam) culture and on your blog there are many more of them.

    By the way I intentionally kept back the information that they are professionals from English speaking countries and that they are non Muslims, working for Al Jazeera. Why? Because I didn’t thought this is important, but now Libertarec brought up all this prejudices and after all shit that he wrote about All Jazeera he called our All JAzeera journalists, decent just because they are coming from non Islamic countries.

    Iztok concerning propaganda machine I’m just amazed how easy you accept a conviction that All Jazeera “is propaganda machine of some reactionary fundamentalist group” and it’s so hard to believe that western media is a propaganda machine of our governments. Sure in our western culture criticism is a part of the ritual, but after Michael Moore’s film voters of USA still voted for Bush.

    Many people (even in USA) would call Bush’s regime reactionary fundamentalist, don’t you think? Think why journalists were embedded with USA and UK soldiers?

    To answer to Iztok point:
    “Like it is my (IZTOK’S) responsibility when I (IZTOK) meet local biased news reporter to educate them about their bias and present them with my view it and demand more objectivity is your responsibility to confront your “friends” at Al Jazeera about their bias and demand the same. If you don’t, you have no right to preach about free press.”

    Dear Iztok, I’m doing just that. Literally, but I’m confronting you and Libertarec “and demand more objectivity” toward our (I repeat OUR) prejudices.

    I’ll finish this comment saga by repeating what I already said and it’s the essence of my point.

    I believe in democracy and I think our western culture is fantastic, but although we are the richest and technologically the most sophisticated, we do not have a right to act as a superior culture, promoting our system of values as the only possible.

    We can learn from human history that many cultures when they were on the peak of their development proclaimed themself as a superior nation – from God chosen people. Sorry to say that but I feel that sometimes we (western culture) behave like that.

    I hope our civilization will learn from its past mistakes of first Europeans in America, crusaders, missioners, occupying forces in Iraq… and sincerely learn that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL!

    B5

    B5

    7 April, 2007 at 22:18

  27. Borut, the freedom I enjoy in this country is unprecedented in history of mankind. I agree that religion is the root of many evil. I can say with wholehearted conviction that no matter how moderate, religion is not good. The country I live in bases its values on secular governance and unfortunately due to certain religious this seems to be changing. No religion (Abrahamic or not) has the right to impede freedoms of others. Sad thing to say is that even with impeded freedoms nowadays in this country the liberties residents enjoy here are far above vast majority of the countries on this planet. Oppression of women has no place in any culture and free people have every right to demand equality and freedom for others. I don’t care for Christian, Muslim, Jewish etc… values, they are bad, their books are fiction and mostly full of violence. I do however cherish freedom above all.

    Iztok

    7 April, 2007 at 23:05

  28. Iztok, yes, because sensible debate is impossible with you guys. You still repeat the same mantra: o how we rich people are exploited by the poor, yadda, yadda, yadda…

    The people i respect DO. The people i respect CREATE. They don’t complain how they need 9% less taxes. Get a life.

    ivan

    8 April, 2007 at 10:22

  29. Ivan, since when is stating facts end of sensible debate? Borut mentioned that men are created equal, yet it seems that there are people who think that OTHERS should be taxed higher then themselves. All I am asking is to be taxed fairly and put caps on items where benefits are capped to.

    You have NO idea what I do and what I create. I pay more taxes a year then 90-95% of the people on this planet (obviously not combined). Seven years ago I was risking a lot and started with negative balance on my account to get where I am. I probably pay more to charity that majority of Slovenians, I support my family and am solely responsible for its wellbeing. So far I am doing a swell job at that if I say so myself. Further more, my wife and I went through the process of becoming a licensed foster care home in our state to help kids that do not have their own home and they were taken away from their families. We are looking to expand our family through adoption of a teenage girl (actually looking at two this time) to offer our future daughter better future then she has now. I have several non biological kids (around the world) that call me dad and I am proud and love each and every one and I can say that I’ve made a positive difference in their lives, I am not building monuments, I am leaving a legacy behind.

    So Ivan, you do NOT have any idea what I do or create. Not only I have a life, I help others to get theirs better, yet YOU want to tax me more? With what right?

    Iztok

    8 April, 2007 at 11:34

  30. joojjooo… kera razprava. sicer se mi ne da brat.., ker se mi zdi, da se vrtite v začaranem krogu.. skratka: al jazeera je pa ja zakon. posebej za angleško pravijo, da je super (sama je še nisem vidla), ker so ljudje tam res free v primerjavi z njihovimi arabskimi kolegi. eni najboljših BBC-jevih novinarjev so šli tja. sama sem jo gledala samo ene parkrat tisto arabsko … prek satelita – kr kul. resna konkurenca so postali teli AJ-angleži – BBC-ju in CNN-u.. zato je bbc ukinil tudi vsa tuja uredništva, med drugim tud slovenskega. samo še neki za razmislek – objave AJ TV so po mojem mnenju najbolj citiran medij, s strani drugih, če ne pa vsaj ena najbolj odmevnih medijskih hiš. po moje redkeje sišimo BBC je pokazal posnetke tegaintega, kot pa Al jazeera je objavila posnetke … in ravno odmevnost najbolj šteje, kakršna koli že je.. če ne bi bili kredibilni tega vsega ne bi dobili.. problem je v tem, ker večina temu reče “trobilo”.

    majah

    8 April, 2007 at 13:35

  31. jdgasekfvs

    29 May, 2007 at 10:43

  32. […] Here is the video that my colleagues from Al Jazeera made. I even have 15 seconds of appearance. Ha! Here is a post on Al Jazeera at work. http://borutpeterlin.mladina.si/?p=954 B5 […]


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