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Višja šola za fotografijo v Sežani

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Finally a college for photography will be opening in Slovenia. I remember when I was in secondary school (about 15 years ago) there were rumors that a college for photography is opening, but nothing happened. Even in the last year I was asked by three different people if i would teach in their college for photography and I said to all of them yes, I’ll join to whoever start it first. One project of establishing a college was running in Novo mesto, second in Ljubljana and third one in Sežana.

In Sežana college was founded by CPI and HERE are details about the program. Not all the rooms are finished, but the big space in the school will be a small studio. Apparently there is a former cinema place where a big studio will be. Also 30 computers will be available. A library is setting up. I need to recommend hundred books. Dream come true job!

The program starts in October. Already 60 students applied for full time and 30 for part time course. I’ll teach reportage photography, but that comes in the second year. Until then I’ll teach as well, but not as often. It’s great because in Slovenia we didn’t had that sort of higher educational program, so I can shape up my lectures as I want. I’ll go to my London College of Printing where I’ll get their program of photojournalism and that will be great help in shaping up my classes. I’ll go for advices also to Prague’s Famu as well. It’s been already ten years since I left Prague after my graduation and didn’t return after. Back to Kafka’s castle (as Aleksandra Vajd once named it).

I’m really looking forward!
B5

PS: Although Sežana is really close to the seaside I was there when there was a snow blizzard.

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Written by Borut Peterlin

28 March, 2008 at 23:42

Posted in Photography

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  1. It sounds great. Congratulations on your new job. Please, can you tell me, is there any chance for me to participate in some programs as a foreign student (maybe a post graduate studies or some kind of specialized studies). I finished Academy of Arts in Novi Sad(Serbia) five years ago (music department). I looked at link you gave but I couldn’t find anything about it. And are there any chances to be par time foreign student (‘couse… job, credit…)
    Thank you in forward
    Igor

    Igor Motl

    29 March, 2008 at 00:50

  2. P.S. Of course, studies in programs considering photography

    Igor Motl

    29 March, 2008 at 00:51

  3. great news on a first look but i don’t imagine where and how will these new photographers work in our “banana” photographic market in slovenia. which is extremely small, closed.

    something will have to be done. there should be a photographic syndicate or something which would represent interests of all photographers and have some sort of instruments avaliable in order to build up photographic market and also fight against very bad trends.

    funny times to come.

    Ciril

    29 March, 2008 at 00:59

  4. Synicate? As in union? Goodness you guys really do love socialism, don’t you? How about free market? If you are good you are good, if you can’t make enough for living, perhaps you are better off doing something else. Unions are just bad for you.

    Iztok

    29 March, 2008 at 05:05

  5. I agree with Iztok. But also with Ciril that something has to be done. I don’t believe in syndicate is an answer, but a better education is. If you are very well educated and by that I don’t mean only school, but experience as well + languages, you have a wider diapason market so you can find a best deal for you. I think that’s much more effective then Union. Question: How an Union of photographers would fight against Istock and other internet distribution of images? Things that used to work 15 years ago don’t work anymore.

    It’s funny that this Union suggestion comes from you. I know that many established photographers are super angry on young photographers, who charge much less then old farts.

    Actually in one blog discussion I mentioned you as an example of a young photographer who is really successful and although I don’t have a clue how much is your fee I bet it’s much lower then a fee of an established advertising photographer. I speculate on the basis that you don’t have a mortgage or hungry mouth to feed. Nevertheless you do good work and cheaper prize is the best promotion, but if you don’t make a good result you stay at the low prize. I was in your shoes and I was a target of established photographers that I’m dumping price. I guess I was keen to work. Now I’m more choosy and a price is a filter that I choose what I do.

    You’re doing great advertising pictures and I’m sure your prize will or it is already skyrocketing.
    http://www.burnsautoparts.com/blog/2008/03/21/attack-meplease/

    Igor, I’ll answer you later. I heve few good suggestions.
    B5

    Borut Peterlin

    29 March, 2008 at 06:41

  6. It was a bad word to choose.

    Real situation is that only few photographers is actually able to work normally in Slovenia. I am talking about fashion, advertisting. hehe not to menton art photographers.

    Why are fees 2 or 4 times bigger abroad? Tell me?

    It is because slovenian photographic market is extremely small and also damaged.

    As regards me you might imagine that I work for very low fees but you are wrong. There was a case when they were negotiating with me and told me that price of one older photographer is 50% cheaper. I refused that commision. Because there will be always somene who will work for less money. And quality in general is falling…

    And with a proper photographic university and some organizations like abroad maybe it can get better.

    So Iztok dont talk about free market. 😉

    Borut: And yes luckily there are other countries ad other markets. Thumbs up!

    Ciril

    29 March, 2008 at 09:40

  7. Exactly. Italy is a market with 60 million people, whereas Slovenia has only 2 million.

    When I published a feature story in Mladina about 100.000 people sees it, whereas a feature story in D – Sathurday supplement of La Repubblica, saw more then 2 million readers.
    https://borutpeterlin.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/my-pictures-in-d-la-repubblica-delle-donne/

    As I said your prize might already skyrocket, but it was not the case three years ago isn’t.

    Things that used to work 15 years ago don’t work anymore. But so many photographers just replaced analog cameras for digital and behaving that nothing else changed. They will be out of business in no time.

    B5

    Borut Peterlin

    29 March, 2008 at 09:52

  8. uh, za tole sem pa slišala, da boš tam učil 🙂 po moje boš najboljši profesor!! WISH U ALL THE BEST.
    In ne jih pozabit naučit dveh stvari
    never give up! and
    to be patient!

    majah

    29 March, 2008 at 10:04

  9. Majah, patience and not giving up is not something you could be taught by lectures.

    This is something that needs to be experienced. This experience needs to be embodied deep into the marrowbone and up to the subconscience, what is way beyond rational theoretical lecture.

    Kung Fu helps 🙂

    But you know me… Every time you were being shy or reserved I was embarrassing you even more. That what does not kill you makes you stronger.

    Perhaps in the exam of reportage photography there should be a test of physical condition. A test if you can carry a studio flash with battery, all the equipment, a backpack with food and clothes for a week and travel to Abkhazia by bus.
    Ha, ha… That would be a good lesson on giving up.

    B5

    Borut Peterlin

    29 March, 2008 at 12:00

  10. Let me begin by saying that Abkhazia is great in the summer time. You can travel from Chechnya relatively easy and mine free…most of the way. If there is a school opening in Slovenia it would be an honour to have Borut “hairy shoulders” Peterlin teaching. I would consider the commute New York-Slovenia to attend classes.

    My main man B5, did you know that Famu has dramatically changed its curriculum? There were a few student revolutions and all of which we knew is a distant memory. Gone are the days where you could take heroin, fall alseep on your arm in class and consequently damage your nerve.

    It is all theory now. Lots of talk. Sasa Vajd probably knows quite a bit…I think she may be doing a PHD at FAMU.

    I can see Fotopub and Fotosloveniaschool merge into one big soup. I can also see the Slovene Famu generation coming back to teach there and hunting the young digital world about their daring experience in CZ. Lecture of today ” Fomapan and smazak: tento krat je to osobny.

    ZAN

    29 March, 2008 at 13:35

  11. Ciril: “So Iztok dont talk about free market.”

    Ciril I work in free market since 2000. When I’ve moved from Slovenia my salary doubled. It is tripled since then. I can’t afford to live in Slovenia fro two reasons. Your housing is way to expensive and my salary would be one sixth of what I would get here and I would be expected to do the same work. Lucky for me that Slovenia is too small of a market for what I do. I cover whole eastern and central (and do some work out west) of North America (US/Canada) as well as LACA on occasion.

    What has to be done for price gouging? Quality will sort things out. If companies want to hire dump for small fee, their results will end up crap at the end and they will pay the price.

    Good thing is that since Slovenia is in EU you can freely move and work there. So instead of union increase quality of your work. That is correct response. As for me? I need to make sure I am on top of my game as well. There are many people that want to do what I do, but I am just lucky that not many in the world can do it as well as I can.

    Iztok

    29 March, 2008 at 13:45

  12. Hehe u are right!!!
    But i learned that this two things are important from good mentors, such as u and others.

    Also in photojournalism (hard one), u need to be a bit of an assewhole, shooters told me …

    I heard also one other this week (will not say who said this): in the end all u need for good picture are two elements: good light and dead people.

    Hard one i know, but …

    majah

    29 March, 2008 at 18:47

  13. Hmm, I would just like to ask you Borut if you maybe know what are we going to do with 1000 new photographers in 10 years?

    Matjazz

    29 March, 2008 at 19:15

  14. Matjazz, why do you care? No one says you have to do something with them. If they make it, great, if they don’t it is their problem. They are adults and they can make their own decision if this kind of education makes sense for them or not and they can take the responsibility for their decisions.

    Why would we need to babysit adults?

    Iztok

    29 March, 2008 at 19:22

  15. @ Matjaž
    Iztok put it nicely. A good education + good working habits can help you anywhere. I know I would be great worker or even good project manager in every company if I would have some time to adjust.

    In Cambridge every student wants to get a job at Citibank. They hire preferably physicians with PhDs, but also all sorts of students. Maybe they’ll hire 935 of our students.

    On the end if that will make you feel better 1000 photographers will not pass my exam in ten years.
    B5

    PS: I hope that last answer will not be taken seriously, but silly question, silly answer. Although by common sense it’s very unlikely that 1000 photography students from Slovenia will graduate in ten years.

    Borut Peterlin

    29 March, 2008 at 19:48

  16. @ Igor
    Currently I don’t think it will be possible to take foreign students at PIC school. But in two years time it might happen. I would suggest you FAMU, where you can take three moths course and it’s in English. It’s rather expensive.

    There are plenty of part time courses in EU. I know that London is over flooded. I would suggest you a Fotopub.com workshop which is really cheap comparing prize/offer to other workshops. Send me an email what exactly are you looking for and I’ll see what I can do. I’ll go in BiH in a month time, so lets meet then.
    B5

    Borut Peterlin

    29 March, 2008 at 23:33

  17. “In Cambridge every student wants to get a job at Citibank.”

    Or Zeus if they are computer students 🙂

    Iztok

    30 March, 2008 at 00:37

  18. you’re working for Zeus, right? Congratulations!
    I was told that in Citibank a yearly salary is about 200.000 GBP and if you’re successful at the end of the year people get a reward of another 200.000 GBP.

    But I knew a person from London who was working for an established bank and he/she was addicted to cocaine and after a while he/she quit and went to photography. He/she told me that in this circle there are so many cocaine addicts, because it’s such a tempo of working.

    Is that a situation also in Zeus?
    🙂

    B5

    Borut Peterlin

    30 March, 2008 at 07:13

  19. I don’t wont to babysit adults… I just find it stupid, that till now we didn’t have college for photography at all, and now there is going to be so many new photographers. It issomething like the high school for hairdressing… They educate about 100 pupils every year for last… XY…years… But how many hairdressers (photographers) do you think a country of 2. mio needs or it can stand…?
    Borut you said that you worked for lower price, we work for lower price…but what is going to happened with prices when 1000 people is going to work for even lower price? Specially in this time when everybody with a camera for 600eur thinks that he or she is a photographer… Yes I know, that the best are going to survive without a problem, but I am sure that this is going to have some sort of impact on photography market….

    And cocaine…? Well.. you know that in Slovenia smokes marijuana… Well in London is the same, just that they all takes cocaine…It is really common, also among the teenagers, which is quite scary for me…

    matjazz

    30 March, 2008 at 12:36

  20. Matjaž you are right and I don’t think it’s bad scenario anyway. This sort of market that is now in Slovenia it’s obsolete and destined for a failure. Best photographers will get better, average photographers will get cheaper.

    I have no problem of living from photography either in Slovenia or abroad. But I paid a fortune for my education and the education is like a horizon. If you’re at lower point you’re depended on few clients. If you’re on higher point, you see thousand opportunities for your work, then you could choose. And this is the best tactic for everybody in every field.

    Let me just point out that by education I don’t mean exclusively formal education.

    B5

    Borut Peterlin

    30 March, 2008 at 12:55

  21. Borut, I doubt many earn 200k a year. More of an exception then a rule even at Citibank. Yes I work for Zeus. Don’t know anyone doing drugs.

    Matjazz, Slovenia is member of EU. Your market is way outside of 2 million now. I agree that not everyone can be a good photographer or good hair dresser. But let us leave it to the market to decide which one is good and which one is not. I am sure there is a demand for low end photography and also demand for high end photography. With high influx of new photographers it will be easier to weed out good from bed. Good will float atop and still earn top $ for their work. Bottom will also flush out and realize that their work is crappy and perhaps they either need to make it up with quantity or do something else.

    It is the same with hairdressers. There is a market for $10 hairdressers in Wal-mart then there is a market for $100 (or more!) hairdressers in special salons. Supply and demand will figure things out.

    For photography, I think even in Slovenia there is a demand for better, yet not great photographers. I think we can all agree that for example there is quite a demand for good wedding photographers and we also know that a lot of people think they are good ones. Right now people who get married don’t have much of a choice, but with better education perhaps they can get better photographers and junk photographers will find themselves out of work.

    Iztok

    30 March, 2008 at 13:56

  22. Ahoy.

    I have the same worries as Matjaž, but i’m not sure, how this new school will contribute to it. I hope more people will appreciate quality photography. I also hope that it will help to develop market for art photography in private collections, witch till know is more or less unknown in Slovenia. And If people invest so much in they work, education, they also appreciate it better, so prices could go up. Because the work wont be done anymore by some high school boy but highly educated photographer.
    About what to do with 1000 new photographers in next ten years, I don’t worry because photography is not limited on language, so the market can be whole world, same for me than for Americans or Uruguayans.

    After i read the program I’m afraid that it sounds to much like photography menedgment bizniss school than creative “artistic” school. But at the end it matters only on professors and students. I think that for quality study you need to mix a cultures, so i hope it will be open to foreigners ASAP. With profesors, i see there wont be a problem, for creativity 😉

    Anyway I wish you guys all the best

    Anonymous

    30 March, 2008 at 20:57

  23. Forgot to sign above post.

    Regards from FAMU

    Abram

    30 March, 2008 at 20:59

  24. Dunno for Zeus, but don’t computer students want to work for Google & Apple?

    Regarding 1000s of photographers – yes, you can’t babysit adults, but it’s also stupid to waste resources and time for futile activity. The best will make it, but it will take trendous amount of dedication, hard work, business sense and reinvention to get there and stay there.

    Free market doesn’t work (and it never did) as we can see in US right now.

    In this age of photo oversupply i reckon it is not very good to be on the production side of photography business.

    ivan

    31 March, 2008 at 00:40

  25. Ivan, as far as I know Google & Apple are not in Cambridge, UK 😉

    What do you mean free market doesn’t work? What do we see in US right now? I live here and not to sure what you are talking about it.

    Iztok

    31 March, 2008 at 02:39

  26. You are right Uroš Abram. Program is shaped up that people will earn from photography, whereas Famu is very academic institution, that didn’t taught me how to live from photography. Think about how many ex Famu SLO students are successful in photography industry? From my generation not many. Famu is breeding academic kind f photographers and I must admit that it’s really good at this.

    When I came to London College of Printing I had a huge theoretical advantage from other students. Actually it happened few times that professor couldn’t think of some name and I completed his answer.

    Nevertheless I learn how to live from photography only at London College of Printing. We were in touch by people who live daily from photography ad not from their lectures! That is very important! In too many colleges students start to teach instead that they would try their knowledge in the open market.

    Free market works for me. That’s enough.

    B5

    Borut Peterlin

    31 March, 2008 at 05:10

  27. Iztok, i see free market’s inherent inability to sustain economic activity on a high level. The reason it (somewhat) works is because of state regulation and intervention.

    ivan

    31 March, 2008 at 11:53

  28. heh, 30 students for part-time course…nice. This mean, that part-time course would take place. I’m one of them 🙂

    Primoz Lovric

    31 March, 2008 at 20:58

  29. Naj bodo sole, hvala bogu, cim vec… pa ne le ena… le se opremiiti se morajo malo boljse – se povezati z gospodarstvom – in prave ljudi zraven spustit. V LJ jih je itak en kup (ALU, FAMUL, IAM, PF…), v MB na PF… + Sezana, se bo pocasi tudi nivo fotografije dvignil…

    mb

    1 April, 2008 at 19:01

  30. Borut, če rabiš ti posredujem še spisek priporočenih knjig, ki smo ga dobil na našem faksu…Če ti bo (je) kaj iz glave ušlo…

    Matjazz

    2 April, 2008 at 12:27


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